Our Claims Advocacy Team got to sit down with a workers’ compensation claims professional who specializes in high exposure claims. They discussed a high exposure claim that wasn’t reported timely to the carrier after the incident occurred.  

Please Note: This article has been edited for clarification and to protect the identities of those involved in the interview.

We’ve decided to call this interview a “Fireside Chat with a Claims Professional”, please tell me, are you actually in front of a lit fire or a fireplace or at least a match? 

Yeah, I have a nice scented candle lit, some nice ambiance for the room. 

What is your current role in the claims process? 

I oversee about 500 files, not directly managing the day to day activities and tasks to move a claim forward, but looking at it from a strategic standpoint, whether it be return-to-work, a settlement, or the resolution of some litigated matters.  I also assist clients in resolving their existing claims files.

Can you describe what a heavy litigated file/high exposure claim is?

Yeah, high exposure is really like your catastrophic claims. For example, someone who might be a paraplegic, quadriplegic, someone that suffers from a traumatic brain injury, or spinal cord injury. Those are leaning towards your high exposure. 

Heavy litigated are files that are going to essentially set a precedent in future case law and how it can impact lawyers and insurers in the future. 

Is the insured involved in the process at all? Or by the time that the issue reaches your hands is it completely out of the insured hands? 

I feel like most of the time the employers (named insured) are aware that I’m working on their files as a resource. Oftentimes I can be involved in the claims review process to help bridge some of the gaps that may be present, with the knowledge to move that file forward. 

However, It depends on the account and the type of policy that’s written because they (the insured) may be hands-off. They may have paid their deductible and then the claim is no longer the named insured’s problem. So they leave the claim up to the carrier going forward. 

You mentioned once their deductible is paid they often have a hand-off approach because it is no longer ‘their money’. Does the claim, the amount paid on the claim, and the amount paid from the deductible have an effect on their insurance? 

It has an impact on their rating. It affects their E-Mod (Experience Modification factor rating). What this means is when the insured goes out into the market place the following year when they are up for renewal,  that claim may show up. the incurred (paid + reserve) impacts their ability to be written for new insurance and essentially tells them what premium they’ll be paying.

From what you just told me, it doesn’t make sense for the insured to take a hands-off approach? Does that sound fair? 

I certainly think that they (the insured) should be involved because this directly affects and impacts their future with Mod ratings and what they’re going to pay for in the future. But many people still take the backseat approach. 

Though this often depends on the level of comfort they have with their carrier. So while I say it’s a backseat approach. It may seem a little hands-off because they feel confident in their carriers’ ability and what we put forth.  They know that we’re going to mitigate their losses as much as possible to bring it to a resolution. 

That’s a great point. I imagine this is true with a long-standing client, a company who’s been insured with you for a long time, they know the team and have the same players handling their claims, and they can kind of step back because they know that your team has their best interest at heart.

Seasonal/Winter Claims

So you’ve seen it all, as you’ve climbed the ranks in insurance and the claims world. Is there one type of claim you encounter where you just roll your eyes when it comes because it is the most common type of claim? This could be a winter claim, an industry-specific claim. 

I call them your classic injuries. The two most common ones that are seasonally driven are your slip and falls. They are the most common denominator in terms of what you see for December, January, February March claim volumes that come in. Slip and Fall will rank really high for what we see. 

Aside from that, lifting injuries are common as well. 

Are these injuries specific to a particular industry?  Do you only oversee construction, real estate, healthcare or are these claims kind of general and not industry-specific? 

I think claims like these are industry-specific. Your transportation carriers/delivery services, you typically see slip and falls from the parking lots or while they’re making a delivery to someones’ home. The same goes for lifting injury, that’s primarily where you see those.

 Construction is a fall from heights, that’s typically the most common one.  

Then the healthcare we see lifting injuries because your home health aides, they’re typically assisting with a client/patient, having to maybe get them up out of bed. Some of those patients are unable to help themselves get up, and typically these employees have to just lift 150 pounds to 200 pounds by themselves with no assistive device to help them do that. We see a lot of lifting and back injuries & neck injuries from that.

It sounds like our essential workforce, especially during COVID times are the ones getting injured the most.

Yes. I can agree with that. 

Most Expensive Claim That You Personally Have Seen 

What is the most expensive claim you’ve seen? For clarification when I say the most expensive claim it can be a specific body part that is a high dollar amount.

It depends on how high you’re looking to go. I’ve seen some claims that are multi-million dollars.

What was that? A multimillion-dollar claim? What was that Injury? 

Without disclosing too much detail, one employee rode in the back of a pickup truck of another employee, as they departed the employer’s location and a severe injury was sustained. It’s a multimillion-dollar claim because this employee needs 24/7 care and will need to live in a facility probably for the rest of their life. 

That’s tragic and I don’t think many insureds think about claims on that level. Maybe large corporations, like the transportation organizations we discussed earlier (UPS, FedEx, DHL.) Those companies have a large workforce at a national level, so maybe they’re more familiar with those. But smaller commercial clients, don’t see or even think that this could even happen, and now they’re looking at a multimillion-dollar loss that they didn’t budget for when running their business. 

Absolutely, and when we start to look at what happened and gather the facts around the event we start to ask questions like “What is your policy about having employees on site after work?” and if there is any surveillance footage of the location and what was actually happening. 

Having that information and the punch cards to show when they came in and when exactly they left.  in a lot of states, there are a number of “coming and going” rules that would either support the acceptance of or denial of that accident/injury, being considered within the course and scope of employment.

This ties into my next question, from your side of things I’m sure it’s frustrating when these claims, and you see that more could have been done from the insured standpoint. How can the client help in the claims process so it doesn’t get to your level? At least so they do everything they possibly can to help your team out, to help the adjuster out before it gets to you and it becomes a multimillion-dollar claim.

What we see very often, and in the example, we just talked about this claim wasn’t reported to us until several months after the accident happened.

Wow. 

It is so important to get it to us, even if they are not sure if it would be covered under Workers’ Comp. Oftentimes they (the insured) might think it’s covered under liability or if it’s a motor vehicle accident they strictly put it in as an auto claim. 

My advice would be to file that incident report, that first report of injury as soon as the incident happens. Let the carrier investigate it and be sure to really partner with the carrier to ensure that you’re getting them the information that they’re requesting. Preserving any evidence is crucial as well. 

So if you have surveillance footage be sure to take that and send it over right away. Witness statements are critical.  When you speak to someone right after an event happens the event is going to be right fresh in their head.  As opposed to trying to track someone down a few months from now, or even a week from now, their recollection of the event might vary. These witnesses might have also spoken to other employees about things being said around the workplace and you risk getting a skewed version of what actually occurred. 

Even include the profile for the employee: what’s going on? Oftentimes you’ll see they’ve run out of vacation time and now they’ve filed this claim. Then, we learn from other employees that this person was just taking a vacation. So all that information about what’s going on in this employee’s life and other things they’re aware of like disability claims that were previously filed for this employee in conjunction with just responding to the investigation as soon as it happens is pivotal.

I gather that a lot of times in an instance where this doesn’t happen, the insured is afraid of the repercussions and the carrier is going to penalize them. However, you don’t get penalized for doing the right thing, which is if you know something happened, report it. This way the carrier can work with you and guide you and do the investigation early on instead of 4 months out. 

So circling back to the example you gave us. What happened in the time it took for that event to hit your desk? 

In this situation, it was a case of “Everything that can go wrong, did go wrong.” The insured originally never put it through to workers’ comp. Why? 1. They were trying to pay for anything out of pocket to avoid having the claim show up on their claim history. Secondly, they heard this employee had passed away. The employer didn’t realize that the employee had survived the accident. 

Once we finally did receive the claim, the employees that participated in the internal investigation before it reached the carrier were no longer available for comment. 

This sounds interesting.

I’m not sure if that answered your question, but I’m not sure if this approach helped anybody because the state where this incident occurred is a state that requires you to get prior authorizations, and the employee already incurred several million dollars worth of care before this claim even reached us. There was no direction and we couldn’t negotiate the rates with the home healthcare. At this point, we’re trying to go backwards to try to project what could occur in the future. 

What a mess. 

This approach doesn’t work well from the financial standpoint either because it doesn’t help the injured worker and then the carrier is trying to quickly piece together to make a decision before the state’s deadline for when you have to file a decision. There is a lot of scrambling. 

This sounds so stressful. The insured may be able to self-pay but those accidents need to be very minor. Even if the insured does self-pay there are still forms that need to be filled out and the insured is required to keep them on hand but it sounds like in this instance it was a major accident, to begin with. 

Thank you so much for sharing. This touches on what a lot of clients are asking and are worried about. At the end of the day, they all want the best insurance rates and the best insurance coverage, but the only way to achieve that is cooperation and reporting things timely when an employee is injured. 

It sounds like in this instance the insured didn’t try to reach out to the injured employee because they didn’t know if he was still alive.

There was no contact made. In fact, it was asked for us to not contact the family until we (the carrier) had the full scope of what was going on because at that point we didn’t want to contact the family and give them unrealistic expectations of what would be covered.  The insured definitely learned a lesson on what not to do next time. 

Something as simple as reaching out to the employee who was injured, or reaching out to the family if you can’t get the employee,  and they’re not showing up to work is a big step and a huge help to the claims team and to the employer as well. They should know where their employees are. 

I find it very important for the employer to be engaged in this process. Whether they are a short-term or a long-term employee. Following up and showing that area of concern, asking them when they might return to work. It makes that employee feel valued. It could also result in a quicker return to work.

A great point you’ve touched on. 

The employer/employee relationship  

I ran into an issue where I was trying to encourage one of my clients to reach out to an employee that had gone MIA for a little bit. Their response was they didn’t want to because they were afraid that the employee would consider it harassment and the employer’s view was “this employee is out on workers’ comp. We have no right to speak to them.”

I think a lot of insureds feel this way:  once the employee is out on workers’ comp they’re not allowed to speak to the employee. But, what you’re telling me is this is not truly the case. 

To my knowledge, there is no employment law that prevents the employer from checking in on their employees. Disability does that to check in with their employees to check-in and see how they’re progressing and how they’re healing. The employer may not be able to ask directly “When are you returning to work” but they can ask how they’re progressing. 

Depending upon the relationship between the employer and the employee, the employee may be forthcoming with more information. 

A lot of times these folks are just home and don’t have many other people to talk with. A lot of them are isolated, working-class individuals. So their family, friends, and everyone else is at work, so they’re longing for social interaction. The employer reaching out shows the employee that they’re concerned about their wellbeing and the employee can be eager to come back.

It sounds like this is just the kind thing to do. 

I don’t know of any law that stops someone from doing that so we encourage reaching out to the employee. 

I wasn’t meaning this from any legal standpoint. I just meant a lot of employers are like “Well they’re out on workers’ comp. We’re not talking to them”. They’re still your employees.

Especially when some of these employees have been with the company for 15+ years. How do you let this accident happen and not show empathy or concern for how the employee is doing? I think from the carrier side of this we’re in situations where we can’t have direct contact with the employee because they’re attorney represented. Therefore the employer is our outlet to keep us updated.

Oftentimes they (injured workers) go to a doctor’s appointment and they give their employer a call with an update: “I just went to my  Dr.’s appointment and I’m going to be out for another 4 weeks. I need to go to physical therapy and then go back to the Dr.’s.” 

As a carrier, it takes us a longer route to get this information because we have to call the provider to get information, and sometimes it takes two weeks plus to get the office notes, depending on how long it takes the physician’s office to have their notes dictated. 

It’s often helpful to the carrier if the employer maintains that relationship with the employee. It can help get that person back to work sooner, which benefits the claim. 

You’re detailing a really important dynamic which we try to communicate to our clients, and it’s nice to hear the same from you, another claims expert. It’s a group effort and the insured is a key player in how these claims can end up. It starts with keeping in contact. Once the adjuster loses contact with the claimant due to attorney representation it sounds like the employer is the key person to maintain that contact and relay important information to you guys. 

I think that this is something a lot of people often overlook because it’s not common knowledge.

Exactly what I was saying. 

This has given us a lot to think about, to share with our clients. Is there anything else that I didn’t touch on that you were hoping to talk about? Any inside scoops.

You know, I gave an example of a catastrophic claim and there are other claims out there. What I think is always a challenge for employers is the accident description itself. Sometimes that’s where they start scratching their head. The employer starts asking themselves “Do I report this? Do I not report this? Should I be taking a hands-on approach? Do I let the claims team just handle it?”

The employer may not want to reach out during the investigation period, because the employee may start asking questions that they don’t have the answers to. 

Right. 

I’ve seen all sorts of things, and the issue is that there are various grey areas in claims that can affect whether or not the claim will be accepted by the carrier. 

You mentioned some of the more common areas of claims and can some of those be prevented? 100% Yes, but some will inevitably happen. The other side of this is the quicker we can get these resolved, and the greater involvement we can have earlier on, the more likely we will help the injured employee return to work sooner. The more we can do to prevent these accidents from occurring, the safer the staff is and the better things can be. 

Risk Management 101. Preach! Thank you so much for your time. Our fireside, Vanity Fair-esque interview. This was a lot of fun! I may be reaching back out to you for a summer edition of this!  

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